It was a messy situation. I think David felt extremely betrayed. David told me that he felt of Lou as his father, his mentor.

He had a major role in the early days in Indian gaming. Things were chaotic. No one knew if anyone was going to make any money. Most of the tribes were disorganized.

I saw depression the first year and half after he was let go. He really was crushed. I don’t think David really understood what the grounds for dismissal were. He really liked the tribe —...

It really just shocked the hell out of me. I’m sitting here wondering how could I not have known and how could I not have helped him. We just never discussed these old kinds of...