The only kind of movement you could make in the Navy was to be a platoon leader or one of those kinds of things as you got more senior in your Navy career.

I think I finally chose the graduate degree in engineering primarily because it only took one year and law school took three years, and I felt the pressure of being a little behind – although...

Actually, as that first association continued, we got a little more legitimate. In those days, they asked Boy Scout troops to act as ushers during the football games. So we signed up and I went...

I think, like a lot of other people who have been in the service, you’d been delayed in what you were doing. You wanted to catch up and the best way to catch up was...

And then, when I went into the Navy, there was no choice. You took about half of the hours during your naval training as naval courses and the other half were engineering.

I was always good at math and science and physics.

At 18 you got drafted. Another fellow who lived on the same street and I signed up for the V-12 program, which was the naval officer training program.

Interestingly enough, I met and had classes from several professors that my father had had many years before when he took civil engineering.

But I decided I wanted more education and I had to make a choice between starting law school, which was interesting to me, and going for a graduate degree in engineering.

It was a great party because not only did I win the contested primary, I ran ahead of the incumbent, so it was a great start politically.

Every person you put in a Washington state prison you could cover three tuitions for University of Washington. To me, that is a bad trade.

The most significant thing that happened in the 12 years that I was governor was the development of the state community college system.

I didn’t take very much part in activities on campus at that time.

Then I came back and restarted at the UW that fall.

I got called back into the Navy during the Korean War.

We had a big party that night and everybody went around gathering results from various precincts and each person would get four or five precincts and then come to the house. There were no cell...

I might say that in retrospect, looking at where the community college system is today, I think we may have gone too far. The community college system is so big, so broad, so consuming of...

When it came time to go to the University, it was during the war.

I really got to a point where I thought maybe I would want to be involved politically.

I did graduate with a bachelor’s degree in civil engineering in 1948.

I stayed in the Navy until July of 1946.