If four black police officers had fired 41 bullets at a white immigrant, it is unlikely that they wouldn’t be found guilty of murder or reckless endangerment.

We have to measure the effect versus the intent, … We are not trying to come up with remedies and cures. It’s just discussion.

He was genuinely interested in what I had to say, … So I’m hoping that at least, because it was a very frank and a very open dialogue, that it has served some purpose.